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100 to 1 Shot – No Questions Asked

Yet, Cirillo - plenty of questions

Consistency has been the clarion call to our Stipes forever but the actions of the men in the grey suits at the Vaal on Thursday suggest that they don’t always get it right.

After the scratching of Hawwaam from the seventh, Sean Tarry’s well-performed Cirillo started a 14-10 favourite. He ran a below-par race and the Stipes duly climbed in.

It is reported that in view of the performance from CIRILLO (P Strydom) (10.50 lengths, betting 14/10), the Veterinary Surgeon was requested to examine this colt.

When afforded the opportunity to place on record any factors which may have affected the performance of CIRILLO, Jockey P Strydom explained to the Board that this colt was returning from a four-month lay-off.  It was their intention to race CIRILLO from a handy position, as per his previous form.  CIRILLO had then come under pressure at the 400m and tired badly.  It was Jockey Strydom’s opinion that CIRILLO would have benefitted from this race, as well as needing further.  The Board have adjourned to interview Trainer S G Tarry regarding CIRILLO’S performance.

But just three races earlier, Corne Spies’ Decadent Lady started at 100-1, paid over R130 on the tote, and returned after an aggregate 44 lengths off the winner at her first three starts and a rest of 17 weeks, to easily beat the race-fit and form favourite Masaaqaat, whose credentials were leagues ahead on paper.

The Stipes failed to ask a question about the clearly improved form of the Corne Spies runner.

That will give punters little confidence that the racing regulator is on top of things.

If horses can improve out of the blue like that without even a bleat from the Stipes, then who is looking after the interests of those that keep the tote’s engine fuelled day in and day out?

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28 comments on “100 to 1 Shot – No Questions Asked

  1. marcel says:

    Jou aantuigings aangaande die Spies wenner dra nie water nie. Die is nie perde wat hul self al oor en oor bewys het nie. Enige perd wat in n maiden deelneem staan n kans om te wen.Wat ek wel dink is dat die afrigter ook nie gedink het die perd kan wen nie. Perde het maar die vermoe om ons as mens weer nederig te maak . Ons weet en ken nie alles van die diere nie.

    1. Editor says:

      Geen aantuigings is gemaak nie Marcel

      Ons vra net hoekom die Stipes niks rapporteer nie
      Hulle sou in elk geval die verduideliking aangevaar het

  2. V says:

    Brilliantly written.

    1. Editor says:

      The lack of action on the part of the Vaal Stipes after Decadent Lady cruised to her maiden victory at 100-1 has been explained away.
      We have learnt reliably that no questions were asked of the trainer on the basis that:-

      1- She was having her first run for the Corne Spies yard after being based with his father, trainer Tobie Spies.

      2- Decadent Lady was stepping out at her first run after a 120 plus day rest

      3- Decadent Lady was not striding out at her last start.
      At the Vaal on 23 July, the Stipes said that Jockey C Zackey reported that DECADENT LADY changed strides continually in running. The Veterinary Surgeon was requested to examine this filly
      DECADENT LADY – not striding out left front.

      The ‘change of stable’ is interesting!

      But this proves that the Stipes did not do their job.

      This rationale applied by the officials on duty should have been recorded in the Stipes Report for posterity.
      That way the punter gets his assurances, the policing function is highlighted – and the Stipes are seen to be doing their jobs.

  3. jai says:

    why is v backing this up this was just a flock win lets see hes next start were he runs in order to make your mathermatical assumpstion
    this should not have any tote significance
    totes will only improve when trainers stop lying to owners and punters

  4. Eugene says:

    On my betting site, the horse shortened from 100/1 to 54/1 before the flag went up. There was a lot of smart money and the coup was landed.

    Most bookies do not take back a bet when a horse is a 100/1 outsider and a few hundred Rand. If big money was placed on the horse, we would have seen seen a massive shortening.

    By punting the horse with large sums, the people in the know would have given themselves up. The Spies yard is old school and know how to bring home a no hoper without questions being asked. Xmas came early to one family. Well done to them. Nothing wrong was done. The horse won on merit.

  5. Cecil Pienaar says:

    Mr Editor…

    Baie beindruk met jou Afrikaans…
    Ek is amper net so 2 talig soos jy (en William M)

    Excellent reporting and Questions?

    As always

    I do look fwd to Graham HJ s opinion on this one

    1. Editor says:

      Dankie swaer!


    Mr Editor, my name is Bob Woodward from the Fish Hoek Post. I’ve been on this DecadentGate story for almost a whole day now.

    I have found out that Decandant Lady was accepted to run in Race 1, a Maiden Plate over 1400m at the Summer Cup meeting next Saturday !

    Craig Zackey was declared to ride and she drew 11 out of 17.

    I’m now going back into deep deep undercover to pursue this conspiracy.

    I’ll probably only surface for a cup of tea on Monday.


    Inderdaad Mnr. Pienaar,

    Mr. Editor is uitgenooi deur die Suid Afrikaanse Kamer van Kultuur om ‘n versameling van poësie in te dien, met anderwoorde sy eie digbundel.

  8. Nish Moodley says:

    Over the years, I have come to the conclusion that form doesn’t lie. On pure form decandant lady had no chance of running a place, yet the horse wins going away! The Spies stable is renowned for winning races with these roughies & blow everyone out their exotics.

    I would expect the stipes to review this horses previous 3 races to come to a conclusion if it was possible for this horse to turn the form on its head! The betting public needs to trust the integrity of the game in order for them to continue spending their hard earned cash!

  9. Cecil Pienaar says:

    ? William ?

  10. Quinton says:

    They took a double n the day…that is why we couldn’t see a significant change in betting

  11. stevie395 says:

    It is all about intent. The age-old question: how many horses are trying to win (triers) in a race. No problem to take it easy in a few warm-up races, then have a full go. All things being equal (no other serious triers in the race), then you can write your own winning betting ticket. That’s racing. It always was so and so it remains.

  12. Gerald says:

    William ek stem heelhartig saam, oor die Decadent “komplot”, maar wragtig die vertoning van Cirilo, en dit met Striker in die saal, ek kon en kan dit nie glo nie. Nie eers n plek, onmoontlik, Ek hou Pierre nou vir n rukkie al dop, iets is daadwerklik verkeerd, geen wonder hy kla oor die min aanbiedings van die afrigters af nie…. “what you give is what you get back”

  13. marcel says:

    So aanvaar dankie “Editor”. Hierdie sal nie die eerste of laaste maiden wees wat wen met groot “ods” nie. Duime in en ken op…..!

  14. Graham Hurlstone-Jones says:

    The race day double say’s it all…..We got taken whether a betting coup or the horse finally turned up ??? Eugene alludes to this. It ran a cracker, the 16/1 you can put down to Zackey, he rode as if his life depended on it ! mmmmm most probably was…( reminds me of the A Fortune incident plus many many more huge doubles and trebles on any given midweek racing day ). There is a shrug of the shoulders by the beleaguered punter, a sigh of disillusionment as the perception that the upper echelons are not monitoring this and they proved this with the response …..these are not my words but the words of many around waste paper bin yet again and who now only gather for a few small bets. Leicester winning the league was one of the great upsets in football history but we saw them prove themselves week in week out and still are today. Boris winning Wimbledon as a 17 year old ? Did you see him win Junior Wimbledon the year before ? I did. Greece winning Euro 2004 ? they had an 11 man defence….. My horse beating Alice at 20 /1 ? nope, I called it in this forum and on FB for everyone to enjoy, and they did. The Snaith doubles and trebles were every where that day and the last race had another 20/1 shot that day that I saw run up my horses arse a few months earlier, very unlucky and knew a big one was coming. All of the above can be explained in one way or another and we watched over a period of time the incredulous results unfold. A 100/1 and a 16/1… and not a word, that says it all and thousands of bets gone but a few sorted. The stipes ignoring this is more than problematic. I suppose someone had 3 bankers that day and that is why Cirillo got questioned ? more perception ? they only got 2% dammit. I see socialism destroying countries by the government of the day being the primary beneficiary of said destruction ( as we see around us today ) It is exactly the same pattern when it comes to any form of corruption, it has to be allowed to happen, its an agenda whether through intent or sheer apathy. All I can say about this is watch the P6 die during the week as this carries on, there will be a tipping point where the bottom just falls out……but the Ivory tower crowd are simply not bothered. The ANC are the countries enemy, we know this but SA horse racing ? Everything I have mentioned ( except the ANC ) is based on fair play and a level playing field…..Having got that off my chest every comment is valid and Marcel is right…..on the day ! It looks like to me the stable was not that surprised and thanked the “partners for there patience, that’s serious patience if you ask me, the interviews were matter of fact, they were not shocked at all. A 1600/1 double is more than enough to cover your Christmas and then some….Jai and Nish is where the street talk is, Stevie has pointed out the “inside trading ” I have mentioned before, ( but the stipes just don’t seem to see it ) and the Africaans response seems measured to a fault, I wish I could be that circumspect. William and Cecil just love the intrigue but are full value for money in their input., I look forward to the Fish Hoek Post breaking news……A great call out ED but what will change ? Every 5 years the ANC will get in and every half hour there is another race…..watch free reign on any price horses….Its help your self time…

  15. Graham Hurlstone-Jones says:

    oh yes and f$%k the punter….

  16. George Croucher says:

    Quinton from what planet do you originate???
    To imply that the stable took a double with Decadent Lady(100/1) and All Of Me (12/1) has got to be the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard ,are you aware that the double would be 1312/1??? Firstly the current day bookies would never ever lay you a bet at that price (R1.3M/R1000) but more importantly how on earth would the 2nd leg ever be allowed to drift to 16/1,…Think before you attack your keyboard with utter garbage…

  17. Pops says:

    George Croucher are you saying the stable could not have taken a double because–
    1) The double would have worked out to 1312/1
    2)There is no current day bookie that would lay you a bet @ 1312/1
    3) The stable had to bet R 1 000
    4) The R 1 000 could not be made up of R 100 bets with 10 bookies
    5) The 2nd leg should not have drifted
    6) Bookies only state their max payout @ R 3 000 000 but it is actually less than R 1.3M

    1. Editor says:

      Addendum to Saturday’s Turffontein Stipes Report
      DECADENT LADY (C Zackey), the winner, was selected for the taking of specimens for analysis. Stable Employee F Naude advised. (LN)
      When afforded the opportunity to place on record any factors which may have accounted for the improved performance of DECADENT LADY, Trainer C Spies explained to the Board that this was the first run for his stable following a long rest. He further added that in this filly’s run on 14 July 2019, at Scottsville, she had been slow away, thereafter raced wide and a lot of use was made of her to race to the front. In DECADENT LADY’S run on 23 July 2019 she had returned not striding out. Trainer C Spies also reported that this filly’s work at home had been good, however, with her exposed form the stable had very little confidence. Trainer C Spies was advised that DECADENT LADY’S future performances will be monitored and should she prove to be inconsistent, she may be suspended

  18. Speedster says:

    It was a set-up…. the horse were allowed to run nowhwere for the Tobie Spies yard and was just waiting for the stable chance, so it can be used for an excuse in the boardroom… a horse winning with so much flair has huge ability, and was never supposed to start at 100/1…. well done to the double takers, making a winning bet and steal the punters money…. the stable did blind-folded the punters….


    Gerald, do you accept the explanation provided by Mr. Pierre Strydom, coming back from a break, position in race as opposed to his other races and him tiring quickly ?

    Was it the Bookies who priced up Cirillo (14/10) to take the punters for a ride ?

    Then, what price should Cirillo have been as an opening call ?

  20. Pops says:

    Does the NHA have a division that checks betting activity on races?
    Are bookies duty bound to report any suspicious/unusual betting movements to the NHA and Gambling Boards.
    In the good old days one could tell from the hooter after a race whether there was to be inquiry into the improved performance of a horse or the long hooter –objection lodged.Does that still happen?

  21. Gary Grant says:

    Simple answer , dope

  22. Paul says:

    Serious allegation. Proof?

  23. mikelipari says:

    Any thoughts on Generoso’s improved performance on Monday ?I think it was his second win in over eighty starts after running in the bush on Saturday.

    1. Editor says:

      GENEROSO (M Mjoka), the winner, was selected for the taking of specimens for analysis. Trainer R Francis advised (AH).
      Trainer R Francis was questioned regarding the improved performance of GENEROSO. He could offer the Board no suitable explanation. Trainer Francis’ attention was drawn to the Rules pertaining to In and Out running and advised that the Board will monitor the future performances of GENEROSO. GENEROSO raced unshod (declared 16 December 2019 at 07H12).

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